Showing posts with label dating. Show all posts
Showing posts with label dating. Show all posts

Wednesday, 28 February 2018

Bottled Up for a Week - the Messages



My last two posts on this topic can be found here:
Bottled Up for a Week - Intro and Sending
Bottled Up for a Week - Receiving

So you can live through what I lived there, below is a list of all the messages I recorded, as well as my comments on why I accepted or rejected them. As I knew I'd be uninstalling the app, on the last day (days are separated by black lines), I recorded whether I would have accepted or rejected them, but rejected them all so someone else could get them.

I mentioned in my last post what worked, and here's a small summary of what didn't work (for me, personally):

  • short, "nothing" messages, like, "Hi", or just emojis, without something captivating in their bio
  • quotes / song lyrics, without any explanation for why they chose to put that in their message
  • messages that sounded desperate / overly clingy, e.g.
    • Friends means life .........can u be my life :) :)
    • I love you so much (heart emoji)
    • Hey I would love to yours till you disown me ! and Then !!! I would still be yours till I disown myself ! And then !!! I am yours forever
  • messages telling me that I'm beautiful / amazing, which they can't possibly know, because we haven't met yet
The above picture is a word cloud of all the messages I received.

Below is a word cloud of all of my responses.


I couldn't find a nice way to format all the messages, so I'll just link to a Google sheets spreadsheet instead:


Just as a reminder, before you criticise my decisions and say you would have accepted people I rejected, this is my own personal preference for the kind of people I enjoy talking to.

Tuesday, 27 February 2018

Bottled Up for a Week - Receiving


(This is quite long, so if you only want to know what I think worked, there's a TL;DR at the end.)

As I mentioned in my last post on the app Bottled, I started recording the messages I received in the app, and added some comments about why I chose to toss or keep the bottle (which I'll post in my next post, with names redacted). Why did I want to do this? Mostly because I've heard from my male friends that it's ridiculously hard to meet someone as a male on a dating app like Tinder. I wanted to see what it was like (though Bottled is not a dating app!), but I also wanted to see if I could narrow down what kind of messages were more or less successful.

Please do not take this as a generalisation on what a good message looks like! This is what I personally found worked / didn't work. Different people are going to prefer different styles of messages, so it really depends on what you are looking for. I was looking for someone to chat with to learn about new cultures (as I am married), but I tried to keep a dating mindset in the back of my mind while doing this, for the sake of this experiment. Personally, there's not much difference to me when it comes to someone I enjoy talking to, and someone I'd want to date.

Also, keep in mind that other than choosing an age range and a gender preference (and a country if you buy a specific item), you can't choose who your message goes to. So it's not like people were picking me because I had a super gorgeous photo up or anything like that.

I also incorrectly thought that people seeking friendship would only get matched with other people seeking friendship, and I was completely wrong - it seems that the app will match you with people from any setting.

When it came to replying, I tried to keep a few things in mind. A lot of my friends complained that the burden of conversation mostly fell to the guy. He had to come up with a witty opening, if the conversation died, he had to pick it back up, and more often than not, if the girl did open with a message first, it would just be "hey", so the burden still remained on his side (if he also replied with, "hey", the conversation would be left to languish). I tried my best to hold up my share of the conversation burden, despite being horribly cringeworthy and overly perky.

I only started recording messages partway through the first day, but of the four messages I recorded, I kept three of them. At this stage, nobody had kept my bottles, so I had nobody to chat with. Other than the guy who asked for nudes, I kept all the bottles that I received. Of particular note was A_France_26_M_Pirate (I've given nicknames to all the people I'll mention in detail, so you can cross reference with my giant spreadsheet tomorrow, the first character is the first letter of their username, the second part is their country, the third their age (if they specified it), the fourth is their gender, and the last is what kind of hat they chose to wear).

A_France_26_M_Pirate had a very generic nothing message, "Im lonely on that beach... Would you join me to talk a bit ?", and I don't remember anything noteworthy in his bio, but I mentioned I played computer games. Despite the time difference, he replied almost instantly and we had a conversation going. It probably helped that we had a lot in common, so the conversation flowed quite easily. Being a pirate, he hinted that he wanted to see pictures of me, but I made it 100% clear that there was no chance of that. He didn't seem to mind, and never brought it up again.

At this stage, I was trying to keep every bottle I received, except the ones where the person asked not to (e.g. only keep this if you want to sext / be my girlfriend), or I didn't understand the message. I very quickly built up a series of conversations, and the bottles didn't stop coming.

I didn't expect my conversation with D_Serbia_20_M_Pirate to pan out, but when I saw that his profile picture was a picture of Snoop Dogg, that opened up the conversation. I started to have a pretty intense conversation with R_UnitedKingdom_36_M_Pirate about MMOs, with c_Germany_blank_M_Pirate about food, D_Egypt_23_M_Sailor about The Godfather, and I was still talking to Receiver#1 about management games. 

I think what helped these conversations flow were:
  • we had common interests we could talk about
  • most of the responses were fairly in-depth, so it wasn't just something like:
    Me: Do you think Don Corleone was a bad guy in the end?
    Him: No

    Instead, he spoke about the nuances of the characters, and we were able to have some back and forth discussion.
  • the conversations weren't heavily one-sided, with one person asking all the questions or one person doing all the talking. It felt like both people were engaged in the conversation, and both people were participating equally.
  • the conversations I enjoyed more were light and funny, but even the ones that weren't were interesting, with the other person wanting to share things about themselves, and learn things about me.
Pretty soon, my good intentions crumbled, and I started filtering bottles where I felt the person put in a low amount of effort: message was just "hi", or some text copy+pasted from a song / famous quote. I felt pretty terrible about it, as I still remembered that feeling of having my bottle rejected, but I justified it to myself by saying that it's better that I have fewer quality conversations than many low-quality conversations.

Not long after, my principles crumbled even further. Since I do have a full time job (believe it or not), I left bottled for before work and before bed (with the exception of A_France_26_M_Pirate who I ended up adding on Discord and messaging throughout the day). Trying to balance reading new messages, with keeping up active conversations, with trying to get some sleep became incredibly difficult. So my criteria for keeping bottles went up. Bottles that I would have kept had I seen them earlier in my journey were being tossed back into the ocean. I became scathingly critical of people's bios(which makes me a huge hypocrite, because in the entire time I was using the app, I never uploaded a photo of myself, nor filled out my bio).

I couldn't keep up. I'd go to bed with 20 bottles still in my queue, and eventually dread opening the app again, because I'd feel bad seeing even more bottles waiting. At this point, I decided it wasn't worth it, and said I'd continue until the end of the week for the sake of this experiment, but I'd uninstall the app after that. For my last day with the app, I noted down all the bottles I would have kept, and wrote the reason why, but tossed them all back into the ocean for someone else to find.

Personally, I hated those messages that said things like, "You're beautiful and amazing, don't let anyone tell you otherwise." You know nothing about me, how could you possibly say something like that and mean it? I can see that they're just trying to be positive, but it just felt fake to me.

A common complaint I see on reddit is from guys saying, "Why don't women just respond and give us a chance? It doesn't take any effort, and they might end up finding someone they connect with." I can understand that sentiment, and if I had received A_France_26_M_Pirate's message on day 2, he would have been rejected and I would have missed out on many great conversations. 

But now I have an understanding of the other side of the coin - it is impossible to maintain existing conversations and also go through the sheer number of new messages, and have some semblance of a life. It took me over an hour to filter through my new messages each day (and I didn't even do all of them). To some extent, I was almost relieved to see a message asking for pics, because it meant I could reject it without having to mull over whether or not I wanted to start a conversation. Plus, some of the conversations were hard to keep up, and so there was also the aspect of weighing up the risk of getting someone who would be a drag to talk to.

I tried, I really did. Every time I tossed one of those borderline messages into the ocean, I pictured one of my single, male friends saying, "F@#$ you, why didn't you give me a chance?" (even though none of them would). I can understand why these apps are stressful now, and I didn't even get any dick pics, and barely any requests for nudes.

Stats

Number of bottles received

170

Hat distribution

-->

#%
Sailor4325.29411765
Treasure Hunter4023.52941176
Pirate8751.17647059

Gender distribution

-->

#%
Male15490.58823529
Female169.411764706

Country

-->

#%
India4526.471
France169.412
United States105.882
Germany74.118
Morocco74.118
Brazil63.529
Egypt63.529
Portugal63.529
Turkey63.529
Canada52.941
Netherlands42.353
Russia42.353
United Kingdom42.353
Pakistan31.765
Sri Lanka31.765
Switzerland31.765
Iraq31.765
Algeria21.176
Belgium21.176
Finland21.176
Italy21.176
South Africa21.176
Argentina10.588
Austria10.588
Bangladesh10.588
China10.588
Ghana10.588
Greece10.588
Hungary10.588
Indonesia10.588
Japan10.588
Mexico10.588
Moldova10.588
Poland10.588
Romania10.588
Serbia10.588
Singapore10.588
Spain10.588
Sweden10.588
Thailand10.588
Tunisia10.588
United Arab Emirates10.588
Uruguay10.588
Vietnam10.588

Age range

-->

#%
17-204124.11764706
21-255632.94117647
26-304023.52941176
31-35148.235294118
36-4084.705882353
41-4510.5882352941
46-5021.176470588
51-5500
56-6000

Result

-->
#%
Kept4727.64705882
Tossed11970
Reported21.176470588


TL;DR What worked?


Messages that made it easier to reply to were a lot more likely to be kept. Ask an open-ended question, or list some of your interests.

Messages that explicitly stated what you wanted made it easier to decide how to respond. If you only want something sexual, say it outright. You may have a lower response rate, but at least you know if someone responds, they're going to give you what you want, which will save you time in the long run.

Again, I'll say I'm a hypocrite for saying this, but put something in your bio! There were some messages that I was going to reject until I read their bio and found something to connect with.

Monday, 26 February 2018

Bottled Up for a Week - Intro and Sending


I saw Bottled in the Google Play store, and it sounded interesting. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I tried the app Hello Talk, where you specify the language(s) you speak, and the language you are trying to learn, and it lists people who are the opposite, so you can help each other lean a new language. My French vocabulary was tiny, so most of the conversations died after I told them that I live in Australia and I want to learn to speak French. I did learn some cool things about Nice and Marseilles, and I met a really nice guy from Canada who shared cooking photos with me.

I wanted to give Bottled a shot, because it would remove the language barrier, and still let me learn things about people from other cultures. How the app works is that you write a message and put it in a virtual bottle to send to someone random. You can specify the preferred gender and age range for your recipient, and there's an item that lets you pick a country, but that's about all you can control with regards to who gets your bottles.


You can also customise your profile, firstly by defining what you want to get from the app. There are three types of hats you can wear, Sailor (Here to make friends, discover new cultures, learn and share), Treasure Hunter (Roaming the Oceans, searching for the rare gem, your special someone), and Pirate (Here for fun, not really knowing what you are looking for, but always with good intention). I chose Sailor, and I didn't realise that you could still get matched with Treasure Hunters and Pirates, despite being only a sailor. I also goofed and confused the pirate hat with the treasure hunter hat for the first couple of days.


Once you receive a bottle, you can decide to release it for someone else to find, or keep it, which opens a chat window with the sender and you can exchange messages. To help lure people in, you can edit your bio to add more information, as well as add a photo, however, unless the person has a telescope, the photos are tiny.

To prevent spam, you get a treasure chest every couple of hours, which has the chance to contain a bottle of rum. These bottles are emptied and used to send out your messages. Someone I met said that you can get about 20-30 bottles per day if you're on it all the time (you can only have a max of two chests at a time, so you need to keep opening the app to open your chests). The devs also started that you'll only receive a bottle if you've been on in the last 24 hours.

There's a reputation system in the game, and you get 1 point every time someone keeps one of your bottles. You can also gift people items which gives them more points. You start with 20 rep, and it's displayed on your profile. If your reputation gets too low, you can get banned from the app. I think the only way to lose rep is for people to report your messages. redbeanpork wanted me to report this message, but I thought that would be too mean.



Since I've had a few discussions about dating apps, and what kind of messages / profiles work best, I thought I'd document my adventure in Bottled. It's a lot of information, so I'll break it up over a few posts, and at the end, I'll post a record of all the messages I received (with names redacted), along with my comments about why I rejected / accepted them.

Keep in mind, this is my own personal preference! Don't take my comments as an indication of how everyone else is going to behave. My main intention was to meet new people and learn about different cultures, not to find someone to start a relationship / have sex with. But in my case, it's the same thing, as I can't imagine starting a relationship with someone I can't have a decent conversation with, and I can't imagine having a decent conversation with someone who I don't find interesting.

I tried to err on the side of chatting to people if I was unsure whether or not to talk to them, because a few of my friends have said that being on a dating app as a guy is really tough, since you almost never get matches, and you have to do all the work of initiating conversation. I will go over that a bit more in my next post.

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First, I'll start with my adventures in sending messages, since it's nice and short. In total, I sent 4 messages. The app actually gives you a tip saying not to send a message that just says, "Hi", since you're less likely to get a response.

The first message I sent was:

Hi, 
You've received my first bottle! Hopefully it's interesting enough for you to reply. 

I spent far too long thinking of a good username, and then I thought: I've never been an early enough user that I've been able to get a short name.

What's the story behind your username?

It was sent to Mexico. Given the time difference, I didn't expect them to open it any time soon, but I got another couple of empty bottles, and wrote a couple more messages:

If you were washed up on an island and you were dying, what would you write in your bottle?

Hi, 
I'm from Australia, and it's yet another hot night. I'm trying to think what would be an interesting fact to tell someone from somewhere else about Australia, and the best that I can come up with is this: 
We had a Prime Minister called Harold Holt who was lost at sea. In Melbourne, there's a swimming pool dedicated to him. 
What's your interesting fact?

Then I went to sleep.

In the morning, I got a notification saying that my potential Mexican friend had opened my bottle.... and tossed it back into the sea, along to Germany.

To say I was crushed was an understatement. I'd had the app for about 8 hours and I had already been rejected! My other two bottles remained unopened. I did read a few reviews from people saying that they only got a couple of bottles after a week of having the app, so I was pretty surprised when I saw three bottles sitting at my island. I hadn't yet decided to document all the messages at this point, so my first few messages went unrecorded, but I did take a screenshot of one of them:


My 45-year-old co-worker said she still gets stuff like this when she uses dating apps, so I'm unsurprised that I got one. But it was the first time someone outside of a game had asked me for nudes, so that's a milestone, I guess? I don't remember why I rejected the other two bottles.

Considering my failed attempt to captivate anyone's attention, I tried a different tact with my message:

Hi, 
I'm from Australia and I like movies, food and computer games. How about you? What do you like to do to pass the time?

This one ended up getting rejected 3 times, until finally, Receiver#1, a 20-year-old male from France, made my day by opening my bottle.

Hey I'm from France and I like computer games and food just like you do. Moreover I love making good meal for myself and making my own video games.

I was so happy! We messaged back and forth for a bit, and it turns out he also likes management / simulation games. We've both played Cities: Skylines and he recommended a couple of other games for me to try: Rimworld, and Airport CEO, which is kinda scary, because both games are on my Steam wishlist...

He made me incredibly jealous with the food he was eating, and really made me miss being in France. He's currently studying, and also happens to be a writer, though he was doing a class on French literature, and other than Le Petit Prince, I didn't have much to contribute to that discussion. The time difference made it a bit hard to have a flowing conversation, but to be honest, I preferred it that way, as it wasn't a demanding friendship. He'd reply while I was asleep, and I'd reply while he was asleep. It was nice and low-key.

Receiver#1 was the only person to open one of my bottles, but to be honest, after the first day, I didn't really have time to send out any other bottles.

Here's what my screen looked like when I woke up on day 2...


Note: You can't even open the chests when your screen is full of bottles, so I wasn't able to get any new empty bottles anyway...

To be continued!

Sunday, 8 October 2017

Missed Connection


I was reading this reddit comment, in response to the question, "Men, if a woman was to ask you on a date, how would you prefer she do so?", and he linked this video where Nicole Kidman talks about how she was interested in Jimmy Fallon, but she went to hang out with him and he seemed completely uninterested in her. I thought it was really adorable (he tells his side on the Ellen Show).

The author of the comment wrote about how as a general rule:

  • What's subtle to you is invisible to him.
  • What's obvious to you is subtle to him.
  • What's obvious to the point of embarrassing to you, is starting to be visible to him.
At first I was going to write about how women are conditioned not to show interest lest they come off as being "slutty" or "easy", but I don't necessarily think it's true. I think it's just really hard in general (regardless of gender) to open yourself up to rejection. If you make an overt statement that you have feelings for someone, and they don't feel the same way, then it becomes really awkward. Plus, if you did enjoy the other person's company as a friend, now the friendship has this giant elephant in the room that is happy snacking on popcorn. 

Instead, what's left is dancing around each other and escalating these subtle signals until it becomes clear to both of you that you have feelings for each other. And sometimes, you end up dancing alone, with the other person none the wiser. At least if you realise the person isn't interested, despite your signalling, you can pull back without ruining the friendship, and if it ever does come up in a negative way, e.g. a mutual friend teasing you about it, you can plausibly deny that you were interested. 

(And then if you're me, the next step is to spend months dwelling on why they aren't interested in you, instead of moving on - but this is a bad step. And you definitely shouldn't ask them why. Another thing I've learned is that sometimes some people just aren't attracted to other people, for completely unknown reasons.)

This reminded me of a friend of mine, who went on what he thought was a date, but unfortunately, the person he was with didn't realise. I don't think I've ever been asked out on a date before, as in, I've never heard the specific word "date" in reference to a joint activity. When I was already with someone, a lot of things just became dates without having to say the word. Again, this seems to fall into the realm of plausible deniability, if you don't say the D-word, and it doesn't go as planned, then there's no pressure. You were just hanging out as friends, after all.

I hope you weren't here for actual advice, because I don't know what the answer is! :(

I brought it up because I found a post I wrote over 10 years ago, where I tried to learn how to flirt through the Internet (sorry for the poor formatting, this was imported from Windows Live Spaces when Microsoft decided to move their blog hosting to Wordpress). Reading through the list now, I feel like a lot of the things just seem like basic conversation skills, e.g. don't invade their personal space, take turns talking, listen attentively. I honestly don't know how I managed to get married to someone without knowing how to properly flirt. I guess whatever it is that I was doing seemed to work.

On that note, I feel like good conversation is more important in the courting process anyway. Flirting probably signals your interest, but good conversation is the thing that makes them more likely to be interested in return. All of the people I've been attracted to are people who I've spent time getting to know first.

Which brings me to another topic: pick-up artists. There was a reddit post a while ago asking whether some pick-up seminar was in Melbourne or something like that, as there were men approaching women in Melbourne Central using the same cheesy pick-up tactics. This was mentioned in our Discord channel, and the channel seemed a bit divided on the topic of whether it was creepy or not (if you ignore the fact that they were actually touching people). In the end, everyone agreed that it was creepy if the person who started conversation "trapped" the other person in the conversation and wouldn't take no for an answer, but cold approaching someone you think you may be attracted to isn't necessarily bad.

I guess that's the key takeaway in this whole post - if you're going to overly ask someone out, at least be open to the possibility of rejection, and don't make it awkward by asking things like why they're rejecting you, or trapping them in the conversation until they agree to go out with you.

Wow, this is all completely unrelated to today's picture, although you can follow the train of thought. I'm doing really well at going on tangents!

Wednesday, 8 March 2017

Tinder Garten


I tried online dating briefly while at university. The only person who replied to me said:
about heart breaking: if you don't have the information that i asked so i have to prepare this information by myself by doing some destructive test, that mean i have to break it at least two or three times and put it under pressure so i can find out its properties and after that I'll know what to do to prevent breaks.
So from the start he was already planning to break my heart. Although in his defense, we were both studying engineering at the time, I asked if he could avoid breaking my heart, and that was his response. I thought it was funny at the time. We never ended up meeting each other though.

I was asked to think about Tinder from a game theory perspective. Not having used the app, I decided to see if someone else had already done it, and it turns out that there is.

From what I understand, Tinder used to allow you to swipe left (dislike), or right (like) a person as much as you liked, but now the free version restricts you to 50 right swipes per day. Apparently males would just swipe right on everyone, and only filter after people have swiped them back. So they restricted the swipes, probably to make money somehow.

So if you're not willing to pay money, you'd better be frugal with the swipes. So according to Kyle, you should always swipe right on someone you find attractive, as matches are worth more than future swipes. He even takes into account the attractiveness of your swipee, as they probably have a lower probability of swiping back. You can read his blog post for more detail.

I feel like Kyle covered everything I was going to cover, so I think there's no point in rehashing what he said. However, I do think that theory and practice are often quite different. I don't seem to have many friends who are on Tinder, but I managed to ask four people about their Tinder experience.

Agatha
Boris
Charles
Damian

Both Agatha and Charles met their current significant other through Tinder, and both the relationships are going strong. Boris and Damian have both hooked up with people through Tinder, but are now in that "seeing someone, and exclusive, but no intentions of being long term yet" phase.

I asked all of them about their strategy for managing the limited number of swipes.

Charles used it for the shortest amount of time out of everyone. He did say he had a strategy in particular, he'd just read their profile and look at their photos, and if they sounded interesting, would swipe right on them. One thing Kyle's theory didn't take into account, and it was something Charles brought up, is that you can sometimes get enjoyment from "rejecting" someone you think is extremely attractive. So if that's your thing, perhaps add that as a variable in your calculation when it comes to super attractive people. (Personally, I'm glad I'm not on Tinder, because I'd feel like swiping right to everyone, as I can't stand the idea of "rejecting" people.)

Agatha, the only female subject I was able to get, used it for a while, and met a few people through the app. She said her strategy was just to swipe right on people she found attractive.

Boris told me that he'll swipe right on anyone who catches his attention. He actually found that through using Tinder, he has discovered he has worked out what his preferred type is, and now he's usually able to tell pretty quickly whether he finds someone attractive or not.

Damian... I don't even know where to start. To say Damian is confident in his looks is probably an understatement. I asked Damian for his strategy, and he told me what he does is he sets his search radius to a small distance while at home (in the 'burbs), and swipes left to pretty much everyone who doesn't instantly catch his eye. Then he commutes into work, and leaves the app open all day, so people can find him. Once he returns home, all the locals will have been filtered out by the earlier swiping, and it seems Tinder's algorithm will preference people who have already swiped right to you. So now he knows that most of the people who show up in his search results will be people who have already swiped right to him. So he'll use his swipes on whoever he founds attractive, and he gets a match nearly every time.

I then asked about messaging strategy. I didn't ask Charles, because I felt his sample size was too small.

Despite what people say about women not having to make any effort, Agatha said she sent out quite a lot of messages. When she was actively using the app, it seemed like she had quite a few conversations going, so her strategy seems to have worked.

Boris said he always had to send a message first. He would look through their profile for something that they seemed interested in, then try to craft an humourous message, usually with some kind of pun, to get the conversation going.

Damian's strategy was just to say, "Hey ". He said he figured if they swiped right to him, they were already interested, so he didn't need to work to get their attention. Damian let me look through his Tinder message list, and there were a lot of messages. All but two of them seemed have an in-depth reply (he said some of them were quite dirty, so he didn't let me read the contents, which is fair enough).

Based on my short exposure of Tinder from reading stories from /r/Tinder whenever they appear on /r/bestOf or /r/subredditDrama, the consensus seems to be that if you're a guy, you need to send out a message that targets a girl's interest in order to get a response. Cookie-cutter messages don't cut it, and a lot of girls are able to tell when it's a generic message sent to a lot of people. However, I asked Agatha what she preferred, and she said she preferred the messages that were a simple, "Hey". It seems to be working for Damian...

One of the interviewees showed me this profile, which he said seems to be a generic profile that a lot of women have - "Only interested in X. No hook ups or games".



I guess there's still a bit of a disconnect between people's impression of whether Tinder is a dating app or a hook-up app. Both Boris and Damian said that Tinder was full of "thirsty guys", and that girls would often just want to hook-up, but not outright say so. I hear a lot more about people meeting their partner on Tinder, and not very much about people who actually use it to hook up, but that's probably because there still is a bit of a stigma for women around just hooking up with people. Damian said that Tinder was populated with more guys than girls, and I challenged him to back up that statement, but he couldn't, however, statista results for the US in 2016 seem to say that Tinder's population was 67.8% male, 32.2% female, so that seems to line up with what he said.

They also seem to be under the impression that women are constantly inundated with messages, and can have their pick of any guy who is interested in them, but Agatha said that isn't really the case. I guess the strong gender bias in favour of women doesn't help all that much.

Considering that there are twice as many men as women on Tinder, and let's say attractiveness is normally distributed:

(picture is not drawn to scale)

You would assume people would go for an equal level of attractiveness where possible, but due to the unbalanced numbers, women (bottom blocks) can go for men (top blocks) at a higher level of attractiveness. I left gaps because I assume some people would rather stay single than be with someone they didn't find attractive. I'd rather be single than be with someone who found me unattractive, but I guess that's easy to say when you know that there's someone who finds you attractive.... at least I hope he does.

I wonder how this plays out in homosexual relationships, when there is no gender imbalance.

Lastly, one of my interviewees mentioned a new dating app called Bumble. It's similar to Tinder with the left and right swiping, and being able to see people's photos, however, the difference is that in this app, women are forced to message first. So my interviewee got a match while we were eating doughnuts, and showed me what the screen looked like:


He said he prefers it, as he knows that whoever is messaging him is actually interested and not just in it for an ego boost, as they have to put in effort this time. He also likes the fact that the onus isn't on him to do everything: start the conversation, move from chatting to catching up, coming up with date ideas, etc. He said it feels a lot more equal.

Seeing as it is International Women's Day today, I think it's a great thing that there's an app out there like this. It reminded me of when I polled a few people on MSN (back in the day... when people were always online and I could do that) about whether they'd feel less manly if a girl asked them out. All the responses bar one said no. I still remember the crushing feeling of being rejected by MrMan5 after asking him out, so I can understand how hard it is to be the one doing the asking. So I think this is a great idea.